[Gen3 vs CBR1000r]

Whats this about then, is it just fake or what ?

 

 

[Gen3 vs Gen2 1/4 mile]

Difference is so small at the finish line it can be caused by rider experience or size,

 

 

[DD3 airbox and stacks]

3 hours ago, JOHN-DYNOSTAR said:

Improves the top end. Too big a hole and you lose the advantage of long stacks. If the hole is too big the stacks basically become short stacks. Dependant on where the hole is drilled. We moved the hole up and down and varied the size to find the best improvement.

 

How big was the difference testing ?

 

[DD3 dyno at Big CC DD3 vs Slo8]

Its funny how the graphs differ , different dynos and days, 

we need the gen3 to run the mile in Elvington, just take out the restrictions

 

["Honest Mark" review]

4 hours ago, mark3evo said:

I assumed they topped up tank

otherwise how would they know the litres

Gen1 will be worse when accurate Mileage is used rather than odometer reading 

So, around 195miles on gen1 would be good then 

 

["Honest Mark" review]

6 minutes ago, mark3evo said:

 

1999 GEN1  37 MPG

2021 GEN3  40 MPG

 

How far you can get on full tank then ?

 

[Little details]

Not so much, it would be a nice bike to ride around but still there is the fact they did not upgrade it as most of us were expecting,

and i already have my old bike modified like i want it to be, 

[Little details]

I had to go and see myself how the Gen3 looks,

few little details spotted, 

 

Kanji in the headlight, front axle has a proper nut (not so neat as the old one), ram-air holes have arrows to point which way the air should flow, you should wear helmet, boots, gloves and read a book while riding, true hypersport

["Honest Mark" review]

Looking at the picture i realised how to drop half a second from 60-130 times, ditch the number plate  

["Honest Mark" review]

Eh, did Enfa say he is the fastest in here  

 

Mark talking about wanting more and wanting to be scared, brings to mind what it really takes, you get used to lot of things,

actually we have a saying , you can get used to anything but one (not sure if this came out right)

 

["Honest Mark" review]

1 hour ago, mark3evo said:

i have to go back there again and get my driving licence back, i'll say i'm still umming and arring 

like i said its not slow and it makes less the skill-full ride like a 'pro'

but i've been there and done that  time to move up a peg on the power stakes

 

You could say that you are actually looking for a faster than your current bike

[First in dyno (Fin)]

3 hours ago, JOHN-DYNOSTAR said:

Impossible dream

 

Some of us become happy dreaming of impossible things

[First in dyno (Fin)]

Sami did not have much to add,

he is suggesting to the owner to cut off the exhaust and replace it with slip-on, then back to dyno,we will see

 

[First in dyno (Fin)]

Couple days ago,

 

 

[First in dyno (Fin)]

So, it has lighter components, new combustion chamber design, new cams, more exhaust volume, 

but still, if you do the unrestriction mods, take out cats(or dogs), adjust fueling, maybe some stack swap, even throttle bodies,

what do you have, not significantly more power than in tuned gen2, maybe something like 8-10hp ???

it does not take you to the moon, they say in here

if you want to fly, raise the engine capacity, put the power at top range, 

and these Suzuki did not do

 

[First in dyno (Fin)]

5 minutes ago, JOHN-DYNOSTAR said:

read my post above yours 

 

impossible task, they keep coming so fast,

i have to wake up to work in 4.5 hours

[First in dyno (Fin)]

7 minutes ago, JOHN-DYNOSTAR said:

ye ye ye yeh

read this and weep 

Jos uuteen pyörään vaihdetaan paremmin virtaava Akrapovicin kokoputkisto ja mahdollisesti paremmin virtaava ilmansuodatin, niin seoksen pitäisi olla paljon paremmin kohdallaan jo ilman säätöäkin. Odotettavissa on, että teholisäys on merkittävä. Lisäksi Akrapovic on tällä kertaa valinnut Busan kokoputkistoon selvästi suuremman primääriputken kuin aiemmissa malleissa. Edellisen mallin putkistossa alkukäyrän pieni halkaisija olikin syynä siihen, että Akrapovicin putkistolla ei saatu aivan kaikkia moottorin sisältämiä hevosvoimia vapautettua käyttöön.

Tässä vaiheessa siis näyttää siltä, että uuden Hayabusan moottori on vakiona edellismallia tehokkaampi, ja lisäksi odotettavissa on merkittävää tehonlisäystä putkiston vaihdolla ja mahdollisella seosten säädöllä.

 

Yes, i agree

 

[First in dyno (Fin)]

1 minute ago, roddy said:

How much does that fuel mix contribute to the mpg numbers reviews were talking about? 

Wonder who'll be the first to try dropping the gen 2 throttle bodies onto one.

@JOHN-DYNOSTAR the big tail off?  I don't think Mika's kit is going to have that problem 

 

Definitely, take the cats out, adjust the fuelling and its as good as gen2 on consumption

[First in dyno (Fin)]

Compare the first graph picture you posted, there the differences are much less, but have to remember the gen2 was tuned already,

and check the mixture on gen3  

[First in dyno (Fin)]

3 minutes ago, JOHN-DYNOSTAR said:

@MikaS  and these are

 

Pretty much the same, except it was the first pull on gen3 190hp, but they had anti wheelie on and it took power out of the low range.

[First in dyno (Fin)]

1 minute ago, JOHN-DYNOSTAR said:

@MikaS

this graph I don't understand 

 

 

I have to call him tomorrow. He was supposed to inform when it comes to dyno, but no.

 

How i get this graph, red is the gen3 when warmed up, is it 187.9 ??

Blue is old graph, gen2 with exhaust 195.3hp, 

both on engine

 

[First in dyno (Fin)]

5 minutes ago, JOHN-DYNOSTAR said:

so we use normally  9% as the correction factor for engines 

so 252 x 9% is 274 hp  and I didn't rev it out fully past the redline like you yukkas do 

So use 9% 

yes ?

 Yes, i was expecting 270`ish on your dyno.

We usually talk about 6%, not to shoot too high with the numbers.

 

Joost explained to Sami how he can adjust the inertia value,

that is how Petri got 299hp for his engine power  

[First in dyno (Fin)]

14 minutes ago, JOHN-DYNOSTAR said:

oh dear Mika 

it looks like it might make power 

184 hp is stock gen2 

190hp  is strong

MIka ...   Can you explain this  article from your link better google translate does not make sense 

The curve for the next measurement looked as it should. For the measured power of 190 horsepower, it should be noted that with standard piping and before adjustment for the Gen2 Bus, an average of 181-183 horsepower engine power has been measured in the same dyno. I did so despite the fact that the plant promised power of about 197 horsepower. When the power curve of the ecu editor-controlled pipeline Gen2 was taken as a control, it ran almost identically to the Gen3 power curve otherwise, but in the very upper laps the pipeline went at its expense, or in other words the constant Gen3 coagulates at the top a little earlier. Dynovedo also found that the speed of the new model is limited to 295 kilometers per hour at the factory.

It is quite clear , what about it ? 

 

Gen3 made 190 on engine, 188 when warmed up,

gen2 makes 181-183 engine as stock

gen3 power falls earlier, gen2 with exhaust beat stock gen3, quite clearly at top range

they found speed limiter at 295 when it was supposed to be 300, i would not take that very seriously

[First in dyno (Fin)]

2 minutes ago, JOHN-DYNOSTAR said:

@MikaS

I think if have it right ,

my dyno does 184hp rear wheel gen 2 stock 

Sami's dyno does 184hp crankshaft   gen 2 stock (it is the way he has it calibrated) .

Mikas bike made 269.4 hp at the rear wheel in the UK , Mika will confirm what his bike did in Finland 

 

It was something like 252

 

[First in dyno (Fin)]

3 minutes ago, mark3evo said:

hang on let me understand this  so its making 190 hp at the engine  - and the Gen2 made 197 at the engine according to specification

Suzuki claim 190 hp at the engine  which is what they said is down 7hp 

waits for dyno experts to explain 

and why it may make power 

 

Oh man, the can of worms is opening